(I have the feeling I’m going to make a genuine ass out of myself with this post, btw. Sorry in advance if I do.)
Meow posted a comment she left on Florida Dom’s shaving post, and I hope she doesn’t mind me reproducing a portion of it here.
FD, This a touchy subject for me – the blurring of the lines between women and children. I know most people don’t see genital shaving in that light and I’m happy for them.
Now… I understand that mindset. I have my own “I don’t GET it” issues with certain aspects of daddy/little girl relationships (probably a topic for another post), and I can see how shaving would translate for someone as (as Meow put it) “blurring the lines between women and children” and while Meow was quick to point out that she realizes not everyone sees it that way… I realized something.
I don’t see it that way, but I honestly wouldn’t care if someone did.
Is it illegal, morally bankrupt, and purely disgusting for an adult to sleep with a child? Yep. I’ll defend that viewpoint to the death (not my death, mind, the death of whoever is stupid enough to disagree with me.) Children, like animals and corpses, are not capable of giving sexual consent. So, sorry, you can’t have sex with them, even if they beg. The End.
HOWEVER. I don’t care if it turns you on to fantasize about or roleplay something so very “wrong.”
I’ll understand if anyone think I’m a sick fuck for thinking this, really I will.
But if the idea of sleeping with a pre-age-of-consent girl turns you on and your totally-legal-and-consenting sexual partner is willing to dress the part, act the part, shave, and call you “mister” or “daddy”? Go ahead. Enjoy it, too.
Likewise, if the idea of having sex with an animal turns you on, and your partner is willing dress up in a furry costume and bark like a dog while you have sex? Cool. If the idea of having sex with a corpse turns you on, and your partner is willing to dress up and act like a dead person during sex? Awesome! Lemme know, actually, and maybe I can find a good makeup artist who will help you out.
I have my own fantasies about sick and wrong things. Ridiculously painful, violent, soul-shattering rape for one. (I also fantasize about being raped as a young girl. At the age of 12 or 13. By an 40-something year old man in a position of power, most of the time.) Another thing I think about is kicking the ever-loving shit out of someone (usually someone in particular). Threatening them, scaring them, hurting them, destroying their confidence and reducing them to a pile of terrified goo. I want to absolutely destroy their will to live. (Interestingly, I don’t fantasize about killing people. I wish I did, because it would make this post better.)
But those sorts of things can be kept entirely safe in fantasies, and they can be perfectly safe in rolepley too.
These desires don’t become dangerous unless fantasy and roleplay are not enough. For me, fantasy and roleplay will always be enough. I’m never going to go out to biker bars and get hammered in hopes that someone will rape me so violently I might not survive, yanno?
And I wouldn’t instantly judge that a guy who wanted his consenting sexual partner to dress, act, etc. like a young girl is ACTUALLY a danger to young girls.
I’ll even go so far as to say I think I might understand the young-girl one a bit. (I might be very wrong, but hell, that’s never stopped me before!) If we humans lived in the state of nature, men would overpower women as soon as they reached sexual maturity and have sex with them. By force, just as they do in the other species where males are more physically powerful than females. Spread the seed! These girls would be fairly young when puberty started. Younger if they are fatherless. Younger still if they have a “strange” man in the midst, like a stepfather-type-figure or stepbrother-type-figure. (Genes and environment are fascinating things…) Society doesn’t allow this sort of sexual behavior, and perhaps creates latent desires in some men to answer this deep biological call.
If a man has those natural urges, and acts on them in an entirely consensual situation… That’s fine by me. That guy (and his partner) can make those lines blur as much as they like.
Let’s be clear, though: If I did think this guy was a danger to children, I’d castrate him myself. And I’d use something rusty to do it.
I just… I don’t see an issue with blurring those lines, or many other lines, as long as everything stays within the bounds of a consenting sexual relationship and there is no risk it will transform into something else. I’m not saying I’m right, and I’m not saying I won’t change my mind down the road. I’m just saying I fail to see why it’s a bad thing to have “wrong” fantasies and then bring them to light in the “right” situations. How could I live the life I do and think that at the same time?
Thank you, Meow, for inadvertently making me think about myself and my own moral compass.
I could not agree more.
Sorry, I’m just a lurker. But there’s a giant difference between a man wanting to see his ADULT lover play the role of a young girl and a man that wants to molest a young girl. In no way, shape or form would a child molester be satisfied with a woman playing the part of a little girl. They go after little girls.
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Amen. I get sick to death of hearing/seeing people turn around with the accusation of “Pedophile!” when sexual age-play is brought up.
Like chicken said, a pedophile isn’t going to be satisfied with an adult woman acting like a child. If they could be, they wouldn’t risk prison over getting that child.
I don’t know what part of role play is so hard to understand. Sheesh.
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Nods, yes, yes. I think any kind of roleplaying is fine. Dress up like a slut…dress up like a schoolgirl. Whatever *waves hand in the air*….it’s fine because “it” (how depersonalized is that? “it”…)is an adult making an adult choice.
Someone taking that choice from a child is not roleplay. It’s a violent agressive attack.
Having been that child. mmmm. not. good. Does this mean I never want to role play? Um, NO. Someday maybe I’ll get a chance. By then I’ll be near 70 and who the hell will role play with me then? Oh,right. the corpse lover. sheesh.
Nilla
giggling.
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Chloe, Great post! I don’t have any problem with role playing and I’m nearer the corpse than the schoolgirl. One thing that I have seen as a mother of two daughters is the looks of “normal” men at pre-teen girls in swimsuits, skimpy clothes, etc. Your previous post about whether or not to bring children into this world hinted that it can be a dangerous place and I may lean more toward that slant than you do.
I went from thinking about, reading about, “playing” at my kink to needing the real thing. It isn’t hard for me to believe that pedophiles do the same.
Of course most age play is not dangerous, especially if you know your partner well, but there are pedophiles who find their prey on the internet, and submissives who seek age play with strangers need to be very vigilant. I’m probably just an over-cautious motherly-type, but please be careful out there!
Thanks again, Chloe for a chance to revisit this. Meow
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Yes, role playing between consenting adults is completely different than pedophiles preying on youngsters.
The key phrase here is consenting adults.
FD
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