Comments… | She Obeys
Jun 28
Comments… Posted by Chloe

I cannot even begin to explain how much it irritates me I can’t reply to comments!

First off, a thank you, to everyone who commented in my transition-type posts.  There will be more to come, I’m sure… And it’s really bugging me I can’t thank you all personally without a 9,000 word blog entry.  Perhaps it’ll let me soon?  C’mon wordpress!

To Kaya.  NEVER.  I WILL NEVER BE SILENCED.  Grrr!  Argh!  Ergh!  (And other piratey noises…. *swashbuckles*)

To lynette… I might have to try a bond system, that sounds awesome.  (Omg, that sounded kinky!  Joy!)

Next, to luna.  Thank you!  But unfortunately, the issue is IN the dashboard.  It hates me.  At least, that’s my assessment. (Antonio maintains there is a technical issue, but I’m doubtful.)  My blog has ALWAYS been a jerk, and refuses to allow me (or anyone else) to reply to a comment through the blog.  The “reply” link is just a dead link, and I have no idea how to fix it.  Antonio does all the blog stuff – I’m certifiably moronic when it comes to that.  But since the last update, I can no longer reply in the dashboard, which was my only way of doing it before.  It opens a reply box, and I can type in it, but when I hit “Submit Comment” it just zooms me to the top of the page without submitting.  Ergh.  Antonio said he’d look into it today, though.  Yayayayay.  Fingers crossed he can fix it.

Also, to swan… I’m really, really curious as well, about my co-worker.  I wonder if she has softened any of her views.  Perhaps, perhaps not.  Maybe my goals are set too low, but I considered it a bit of a victory just to get interest out of her, rather than disdain or dismissal.  I hope I can talk to her again soon, though… Part of me thinks she simply let the matter slide, didn’t research it, etc.  But there is always the chance she did, or that a few things stuck in her head – the idea of a level-headed, scientific approach that may contradict her “gut feelings” and maybe she’ll mention it to someone else, someday.   Here’s to hoping.  And to a healthy dose of skepticism.  *raises glass*

And to Dan… Thank you, for giving me an opportunity to completely geek out!!!  Obviously, yes, you’re right.  I understand exactly what you’re saying about causation and correlation and their relationship, and the potential for migration to serve as a confounding variable.  I even thought I sorta said so in the “Editor’s Note” but it’s possible I wasn’t clear enough that I acknowledge potential confounds in correlational studies.  The note was, I admit, a lot longer originally. But I got a little obsessed and technical, as I often do with statistics, and decided to just clip the “disclaimer” portion to a bare minimum.  However, I nearly clapped with glee that you commented about correlation and causation, because now I’m justified in rambling nerdily!  YAY!   So, yes, you’re 100% right, urban environments are often more liberal, hence more accepting. So homosexual people are very likely to migrate there.  And that may be why we see higher rates.

There are other potential confounds as well, and my coworker and I brainstormed a few.  Some confounds might even imply that there are NOT higher levels of homosexuality (though I doubt it, but it’s important to acknowledge all possibilities!).  For instance, it might simply be that people in cities and accepting environments are more comfortable reporting that they are homosexual to an interviewer or on a questionnaire, so the numbers are artificially inflated.   It may be that more comprehensive studies are done in urban environments, or perhaps a disproportionate number of scientifically sound studies geared at assessing rates of homosexuality are carried out in cities, and only dubious studies are done in the rural areas. Etc. etc. etc. The thing isn’t that two items cannot share a correlational relationship AND a causal relationship.  (I mean, obviously sometimes they definitely can.  Cutting yourself is strongly correlated with bleeding.  In that case, there is a correlational AND a causal relationship.) However, no, we definitely can’t ever claim causation with ONLY a correlation – we’d need different kinds of studies to attempt to assess causation. 

But, here’s an interesting statistic I had to cut out of the last post for space and time (and last I read this was in a textbook, and I can’t recall the actual study at the moment – but I should go look it up…)  A study showed that prior to age 17 (which was used as a cutoff because not many teenagers have the ability to migrate for social/sexual reasons prior to adulthood – so it is more likely these young people were simply born into an area, or were taken by their parents – neither of which are motivated by sexual orientation, as the migration you spoke of clearly is), there is STILL a higher rate of homosexuality reported in urban environments.  So, while attempting to control for the obvious confound of migration, they still found higher rates.

Again, obviously, there are potential confounds in that correlation as well.   There always are.  But it’s still so darn FASCINATING.

Yanno… 

To me.

The girl who gets excited over coding data analysis in SAS.

*sigh* I’m SUCH a dork.  Someone ought to shoot me and put me out of my misery…

(Speaking of misery – I’m 5 hours into a 22-hour triple-shift.  THE JOY IS NEVERENDING!!!)

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4 Responses


  1. Dan says:

    Yeah, the under-17 study probably has a ton of faults built into it, gotta say. Off the top of my head, I can think of about XXX

    1. A lot of up-to-17yos don’t even want to ADMIT they might be gay regardless of locale; yes, some kids KNOW they are gay from the moment of sexual awakening. And, actually, I bet a lot of those kids are urban and are EXPOSED to true multi-culturalism [which is different from "race" (notice quotes)] and thus feel more comfortable identifying with an accepted subgroup in their locale;

    2. Even a rural 17yo that knows he or she is gay may be reluctant to self-identify as such due to local cultural pressure. Even if assured that a survey would be anonymous — there’s such much PRESSURE in rural America to conform, to identify exactly as your neighbor does.

    I’d LOVE to see a survey that collects data in the sense of “1. Did you KNOW and self-identify as homosexual prior to your 18th birthday? 2. Did you tell anyone else about it, and if asked, would you have admitted it THEN?” (Question 2 would require telling someone who the respondent knew not to be gay — telling your first teenage lover that you’re gay does NOT count, LOL.)

    I think the combination of migration and urbanized local acceptance of multiculturalism explains a lot of the statistical concentration of homosexuality. I live about 60 miles north of San Francisco, and I’ve lived in some fairly liberal towns before that, including Tucson, AZ and NYC. I lived with a bisexual woman for 4 years in Tucson, and, to be honest, that was my education as far as GLBT issues went. I’ve probably met and talked to in some detail about a hundred self-identifying GLBT people in my life, and this is an utterly fascinating statistic:

    VERY few of them came from the city where I met them. The migration thing was a vector, not an outlier.

    I would love to read a peer-reviewed statistical analysis of the occurrence of homosexuality in rural America, because I believe that if performed correctly and controlled correctly (in the statistical sense,) we’d see that the occurrence holds steady regardless of where a person lives.

    Because, otherwise, think of the implications. It would mean that nuture IS the key. And that gives ammunition to people I’d rather disarm.

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  2. Dan says:

    Crud, that should be “2″ instead of XXX. LOL.

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  3. Dan says:

    NURTURE is the key.

    Goddamit so much. Don’t drink and argue stats.

    ;)

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  4. subtle says:

    If this makes you feel any better…

    when I click on the ‘reply’ link that comes under comments in the dashboard it sends me to the *bottom* of the page…

    but I can still reply to comments directly on the posts…

    this only started a couple of weeks ago…

    p.s. i’m not liking capital letters and sentences at the moment…

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