Comments on: My Limits… Or His? http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/ Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:54:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Chloe http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/comment-page-1/#comment-147 Chloe Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:40:36 +0000 http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/#comment-147 Hi River! Thank you, what a wonderful comment. And don't worry, I'm not trying to convert anyone. I'll have to pop over to your blog once I'm done snotting all over my keyboard and bemoaning the fact that I can't cut my head off. (Being sick is stupid. Simply stupid.) Again, thank you so much for dropping by. Hi River! Thank you, what a wonderful comment. And don’t worry, I’m not trying to convert anyone. I’ll have to pop over to your blog once I’m done snotting all over my keyboard and bemoaning the fact that I can’t cut my head off. (Being sick is stupid. Simply stupid.) Again, thank you so much for dropping by.

]]> By: Chloe http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/comment-page-1/#comment-146 Chloe Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:39:05 +0000 http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/#comment-146 <em>Interestingly, in one or two cases, I hadn’t even realised how badly a particular ‘bone’ was broken until it was reset.</em> Me too! (It took me about three tries to type that, because of a sneezing fit. Goodness.) Thank you for bringing that up, because even though I read it and know it's true, I hadn't thought about it beforehand... Another thing to be grateful for in this relationship. Interestingly, in one or two cases, I hadn’t even realised how badly a particular ‘bone’ was broken until it was reset.

Me too! (It took me about three tries to type that, because of a sneezing fit. Goodness.) Thank you for bringing that up, because even though I read it and know it’s true, I hadn’t thought about it beforehand… Another thing to be grateful for in this relationship.

]]> By: Chloe http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/comment-page-1/#comment-145 Chloe Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:36:52 +0000 http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/#comment-145 <em>Chloe, so…IF he wanted to choke you for 20 minutes…regardless of why, the real question is, would you die? Would you allow that, or would you say “No, I have to fight for my life!”? </em> Hrm... Well. I have a built-in easy (read: total cop out) answer to that one... I'm under orders to protect and take care of myself. If it came to a "he might kill me" situation, I <em>would </em>fight for my life. And whether that would be instinct, or me following orders? Well, I'm guessing it'd be instinct, but I've got orders to cover me fighting for my life. Does that make any sense? No matter how "good" of a slave I am, I honestly don't think I could sit there and let him kill me. Especially not if I have children. I don't have children at the moment, but I've got this whole "Maternal/Slave Ranking System" all prettily built into my head. No idea how it will pan out. But every time I hear about the maternal instincts bumping heads with the slave drive... I think of my Super Awesome But Yet To Be Tested Ranking Scale. Chloe, so…IF he wanted to choke you for 20 minutes…regardless of why, the real question is, would you die? Would you allow that, or would you say “No, I have to fight for my life!”?

Hrm… Well. I have a built-in easy (read: total cop out) answer to that one… I’m under orders to protect and take care of myself. If it came to a “he might kill me” situation, I would fight for my life. And whether that would be instinct, or me following orders? Well, I’m guessing it’d be instinct, but I’ve got orders to cover me fighting for my life. Does that make any sense?

No matter how “good” of a slave I am, I honestly don’t think I could sit there and let him kill me. Especially not if I have children. I don’t have children at the moment, but I’ve got this whole “Maternal/Slave Ranking System” all prettily built into my head. No idea how it will pan out. But every time I hear about the maternal instincts bumping heads with the slave drive… I think of my Super Awesome But Yet To Be Tested Ranking Scale.

]]> By: Limits In Power Exchange « Finding Sara http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/comment-page-1/#comment-134 Limits In Power Exchange « Finding Sara Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:51:40 +0000 http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/#comment-134 [...] Chloe wrote, “My Limits…or His?” [...] [...] Chloe wrote, “My Limits…or His?” [...]

]]> By: River http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/comment-page-1/#comment-130 River Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:52:18 +0000 http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/#comment-130 Hi Chloe, I just wanted to tell you that I love love love your blog. I am not a slave, and don't desire to be one, but I really love the way you write and I agree with many of your ideas. Even when I don't I can see that they are valid for you, and I respect that. I am going to add you to my list of blogs that I read so I remember to check in more often. Thank you for putting yourself out there and sharing! River Hi Chloe,
I just wanted to tell you that I love love love your blog. I am not a slave, and don’t desire to be one, but I really love the way you write and I agree with many of your ideas. Even when I don’t I can see that they are valid for you, and I respect that. I am going to add you to my list of blogs that I read so I remember to check in more often. Thank you for putting yourself out there and sharing!

River

]]> By: M:e http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/comment-page-1/#comment-129 M:e Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:07:35 +0000 http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/#comment-129 Oh I do love the discussion you and Sara generate between each other. The postings and the comments are always so powerful, and I can always see something in what you both say. I think Sara may be onto something when she says that maybe healthy people choose healthy people.....maybe that's what leads to a healthy D/s relationship. I've understood at a deeply personal level what you've written here about the breaking of metaphorical bones, and that while you might rail against the pain and the 'cruelty' of those times, you trust that it will ultimately be for good purpose. We've been through many of those times, and I certainly 'walk a little straighter' these days. Interestingly, in one or two cases, I hadn't even realised how badly a particular 'bone' was broken until it was reset. A big thank you to both of you for engaging in these sorts of conversations. They certainly stretch the mind and enlarge some understanding. love and hugs xxx Oh I do love the discussion you and Sara generate between each other. The postings and the comments are always so powerful, and I can always see something in what you both say. I think Sara may be onto something when she says that maybe healthy people choose healthy people…..maybe that’s what leads to a healthy D/s relationship.

I’ve understood at a deeply personal level what you’ve written here about the breaking of metaphorical bones, and that while you might rail against the pain and the ‘cruelty’ of those times, you trust that it will ultimately be for good purpose. We’ve been through many of those times, and I certainly ‘walk a little straighter’ these days. Interestingly, in one or two cases, I hadn’t even realised how badly a particular ‘bone’ was broken until it was reset.

A big thank you to both of you for engaging in these sorts of conversations. They certainly stretch the mind and enlarge some understanding.

love and hugs xxx

]]> By: Sara http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/comment-page-1/#comment-128 Sara Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:02:23 +0000 http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/02/12/my-limits-or-his/#comment-128 Chloe, so...IF he wanted to choke you for 20 minutes...regardless of why, the real question is, would you die? Would you allow that, or would you say "No, I have to fight for my life!"? "I'd kind of question the sanity of someone involved in a relationship where they weren't 100% sure their partner didn't want to destroy them. " Me too. Now I am trying to understand why I should not question the sanity of any woman who says she would not, when push comes to shove, fight for her physical OR emotional health. Of course you trust Him completely, or you would never have turned yourself over to him! But, I see submissive wives who are trying to submit to men who do not have the capacity or even the interest to lead them, let alone to care for and protect them . Have you seen "slaves" who turn themselves over in unexplored relationships, and occasionally to untrustworthy Doms? It all leads me to thinking there are two issues here, types of power dynamics and the women who live them. The emotional maturity and health of the individual may vary hugely, and what she brings to it makes all the difference. Am I wrong that healthy people will always choose health? Part of the pull of a PE relationship is the edginess of it all, the approach to the limits. But the limits are there for all of us, and I can't help but believe that BOTH partners establish and live by them. I really appreciate your be willing to engage in this dialogue! Thank you! Chloe, so…IF he wanted to choke you for 20 minutes…regardless of why, the real question is, would you die? Would you allow that, or would you say “No, I have to fight for my life!”?

“I’d kind of question the sanity of someone involved in a relationship where they weren’t 100% sure their partner didn’t want to destroy them. ” Me too.

Now I am trying to understand why I should not question the sanity of any woman who says she would not, when push comes to shove, fight for her physical OR emotional health. Of course you trust Him completely, or you would never have turned yourself over to him! But, I see submissive wives who are trying to submit to men who do not have the capacity or even the interest to lead them, let alone to care for and protect them . Have you seen “slaves” who turn themselves over in unexplored relationships, and occasionally to untrustworthy Doms?

It all leads me to thinking there are two issues here, types of power dynamics and the women who live them. The emotional maturity and health of the individual may vary hugely, and what she brings to it makes all the difference. Am I wrong that healthy people will always choose health? Part of the pull of a PE relationship is the edginess of it all, the approach to the limits. But the limits are there for all of us, and I can’t help but believe that BOTH partners establish and live by them.

I really appreciate your be willing to engage in this dialogue! Thank you!

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