Comments on: Twilight http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/01/07/twilight/ Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:15:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kyra http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/01/07/twilight/comment-page-1/#comment-1125 Kyra Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:28:08 +0000 http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/?p=93#comment-1125 Just came across this blog randomly, but I have this huge thing where Twilight drives me absolutely insane, so I just had to comment to say: yes. EXACTLY. Edward/Bella seems, in a lot of ways, like a classic dom/sub kind of relationship (well, until the last third of the last book, and--I suppose I shouldn't spoil it...?), and you know what, if Edward and Bella are into that, then that's fine. <i>Except that's not how it's presented</i>. It's all OMG TRUE LOVE, OMG SO ROMANTIC, OMG I WISH MY BOYFRIEND WERE JUST LIKE EDWARD. I think maybe Bella even is into this stuff a little, because--again, in the last book, which I probably shouldn't spoil, but it's relevant--when they finally do have sex, Bella ends up pretty badly bruised because, y'know, he's a superhuman vampire. He freaks out and feels horrible because he hurt her; she didn't really notice it happening and doesn't care. Uh, did you guys suddenly switch sides in the whole maybe-into-BDSM-thing? Do you want to maybe talk about how Bella is okay with this and you can both enjoy yourselves if Edward will stop his pity party? ...No? No discussion at all to speak of? Okay then. So again, yeah, I totally agree with you--this stuff would be okay except for the way it's presented, the kinky-ish stuff without any of the important consent issues, and that's what makes it so creepy. Just came across this blog randomly, but I have this huge thing where Twilight drives me absolutely insane, so I just had to comment to say: yes. EXACTLY. Edward/Bella seems, in a lot of ways, like a classic dom/sub kind of relationship (well, until the last third of the last book, and–I suppose I shouldn’t spoil it…?), and you know what, if Edward and Bella are into that, then that’s fine. Except that’s not how it’s presented. It’s all OMG TRUE LOVE, OMG SO ROMANTIC, OMG I WISH MY BOYFRIEND WERE JUST LIKE EDWARD. I think maybe Bella even is into this stuff a little, because–again, in the last book, which I probably shouldn’t spoil, but it’s relevant–when they finally do have sex, Bella ends up pretty badly bruised because, y’know, he’s a superhuman vampire. He freaks out and feels horrible because he hurt her; she didn’t really notice it happening and doesn’t care. Uh, did you guys suddenly switch sides in the whole maybe-into-BDSM-thing? Do you want to maybe talk about how Bella is okay with this and you can both enjoy yourselves if Edward will stop his pity party? …No? No discussion at all to speak of? Okay then.

So again, yeah, I totally agree with you–this stuff would be okay except for the way it’s presented, the kinky-ish stuff without any of the important consent issues, and that’s what makes it so creepy.

]]> By: Chloe http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/01/07/twilight/comment-page-1/#comment-55 Chloe Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:59:24 +0000 http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/?p=93#comment-55 <strong>lalana~</strong> I have some deductive logic notes that could put ANYONE into a state of complete mental suspension. You read them and, for about three hours, you'll be incapable of thinking about <em>anything</em>. They're brilliant, really. One day I should just post those and let everyone take a nice nap. My gift to the world is naptime. :D ~Chloe lalana~

I have some deductive logic notes that could put ANYONE into a state of complete mental suspension. You read them and, for about three hours, you’ll be incapable of thinking about anything. They’re brilliant, really. One day I should just post those and let everyone take a nice nap. My gift to the world is naptime.
:D

~Chloe

]]> By: lalana http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/2009/01/07/twilight/comment-page-1/#comment-35 lalana Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:12:00 +0000 http://obey.thenaturalorders.com/?p=93#comment-35 I'm gonna have to do this in stages, cause I have like 5 more posts of yours starred to comment on, and I'm getting sleepy. Part of what I loved about the book was the "fairy tale love". The other part was the fact that Edward was so dominant, Bella so submissive. But, you have an extremely valid point. Without CONSENT, the relationships that many of us live on a day to day basis could be and would be considered abusive. Period. No arguments. And while I understand that putting a "consent" scene in there may have ruined the flow... it blurs the line that so many teenager girls already can't see clearly. I was IN an abusive relationship as a young teen - hell, I was in more than one. And I actively looked for things/people to tell me that what I was dealing with was "normal" and/or accepted. Things to justify what I was putting up with. The "love" behind it doesn't make it ok. So yeah, you did it again. Damn, I'm getting tired of you making me think :) I’m gonna have to do this in stages, cause I have like 5 more posts of yours starred to comment on, and I’m getting sleepy.

Part of what I loved about the book was the “fairy tale love”. The other part was the fact that Edward was so dominant, Bella so submissive. But, you have an extremely valid point. Without CONSENT, the relationships that many of us live on a day to day basis could be and would be considered abusive. Period. No arguments. And while I understand that putting a “consent” scene in there may have ruined the flow… it blurs the line that so many teenager girls already can’t see clearly. I was IN an abusive relationship as a young teen – hell, I was in more than one. And I actively looked for things/people to tell me that what I was dealing with was “normal” and/or accepted. Things to justify what I was putting up with. The “love” behind it doesn’t make it ok. So yeah, you did it again. Damn, I’m getting tired of you making me think :)

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